Kathy hosts her very first episode. She explores her experience with diet and diabetes. Meags discusses why her grandma was gray. Carey shares the deets of her sister's tapeworm diet and Drea inserts random facts about jockstrap bras and Lord Byron's incestuous relationship with his dear sister. Random? Yeah. We know.
Kathy hosts her very first episode. She explores her experience with diet and diabetes. Meags discusses why her grandma was gray. Carey shares the deets of her sister's tapeworm diet and Drea inserts random facts about jockstrap bras and Lord Byron's incestuous relationship with his dear sister. Random? Yeah. We know.
All right. Well, Lisa, I had a really shitty headache last week, like last Friday. I was telling no, Saturday. I was telling them that I, it was like I vomited three times in the morning.
lisa-diet:Oh my god.
drea-diet:awful. It was awful. And it just, it's like it snaked around. It started in the front of my head and then it went behind my eyeballs and then onto the back of my head.
lisa-diet:You know, I've never had a migraine. Is that what a migraine is? I don't know.
drea-diet:Hell, I know,
meags-diet:Migraines can be all
carey-diet:it sounds like.
lisa-diet:My headache began with a level excursion to Costco. It was horrible. I've never had such a horrible experience at Costco. People, I just were like, there's so many people, which I've been there crowded before, which is fine. But then everyone's just rude and like, you know. My husband's sitting here telling me that I've lost all my patients. I'm like, that was like 15 minutes ago, i's like, yes, I have. I think I left at all of Costco.
drea-diet:And you're like, what patients? Goddammit.
lisa-diet:Great. I have no patience for anything my children were doing. My dog nothing. But I think that that is the core of, that's where my headaches started and I'm just
drea-diet:Ah,
lisa-diet:gonna let that
drea-diet:all right. Well I'm sorry. I didn't even say Good. Good evening. Good evening, everybody.
kathy-diet:Oh,
meags-diet:afternoon, good morning, and good night.
drea-diet:That's right. So
lisa-diet:a happy note, complaining about headaches
drea-diet:I know, I know. Nasty, nasty headaches. So we have a very super duper treat tonight. Kathy is going to be presenting us with something we don't know yet.
lisa-diet:what shall it be.
drea-diet:What is it?
kathy-diet:you guys ready?
carey-diet:Yeah.
lisa-diet:Yes.
kathy-diet:go.
lisa-diet:Drop it.
kathy-diet:Okay, we're gonna start with a question. Who here has ever dieted or tried to lose weight?
drea-diet:Oh yeah,
lisa-diet:yeah.
meags-diet:Yes.
kathy-diet:Okay,
drea-diet:All the above.
kathy-diet:that's everybody. And what, what? Just like real, like loosely don't need big ex explanations, but what did you try?
carey-diet:I've tried Weight Watchers and that, yeah, I, it worked. I used to perform my brother's wedding and it worked, but it was unsustainable. Like I doing the points all the time. I. I, I just didn't, I didn't really like it.
meags-diet:I was on some fantastic diet in high school where my mom was buying cookies from somebody. And looking back on it, I realized that the, yeah, the idea of the, the cookies must have had all kinds of, something in them. Fiber or protein or something like they were kind of a precursor to the modern the modern protein bar. But boy was like, I was, I like to just eat cooking, so all the time.
kathy-diet:Hmm.
meags-diet:Was it effective? No. Were the cookies good? Not really, but I didn't enjoy eating cookies.
kathy-diet:Who else?
lisa-diet:In my twenties, I was very successful with the Atkins diet. And I actually sustained that for a while. Basically it was during law school and I, at home I'd be on Atkins and if I went out to eat, I didn't eat whatever I want, but I allowed myself to eat some carbs and so I cut that. But also I was in my twenties, so it's just easier
kathy-diet:Yep.
lisa-diet:keep weight off then. And I was pretty active just being in Southern California. It's just active year round. You're not, it's not really cold where you stay inside for months. So, but then I did Weight Watchers more recently and I was successful for a while, and then Covid hit, and then I just didn't care anymore about my weight.
kathy-diet:Yep.
drea-diet:Hmm. Well, I mean, I've done I've done it all. I've starved myself. I've done Weight Watchers and then I did that. I did the, I did that diet with the nutritionist like several several years ago. But what I remember, I mean, I remember it, but I remember Carrie and Jenna on one of our trips having an intervention with me. Cause I thought I was like, too skinny
carey-diet:I remember that.
drea-diet:was like, I was like, I'm on it. But I mean, I did, I had a dietician and everything, so it wasn't like I was just you know, Willie Nelly doing it. So, but then I that was very restrictive. So I did that for a few years and then I was like, Ugh, I can't do this anymore. So,
kathy-diet:Gotcha. Okay. Well, the weight loss industry is an approximately 225 billion annual industry globally
meags-diet:That billion with a B Cathy.
kathy-diet:as a billion with a B.
meags-diet:Holy
kathy-diet:It consists of health clubs, commercial weight loss programs, medical weight loss programs, weight loss surgery, or bariatric surgery, diet drugs, hospital clinic chains, and MD programs, retail meal replacement, appetite suppressants, weight loss apps, diet soft drinks and artificial sweeteners, frozen diet dinners, and low calorie foods in the United States. This accounts for$78 billion. Which approximately is$235 per American that is ages zero to 100 plus$235 per person per year,
meags-diet:That's not.
kathy-diet:and the weight loss industry is up after a 25% decrease during Covid pandemic.
drea-diet:Oh,
lisa-diet:Yeah.
drea-diet:that makes sense.
lisa-diet:Mm-hmm.
kathy-diet:makes a lot of sense. Like you weren't going to the gym, you were home. People didn't care. It's kinda like people, it seems like either went one way or the other, right? Like people would be like, I'm gonna exercise at home and do all this stuff and whatever. Or people were like, fuck it, I'm ordering Oreos and peanut butter and
lisa-diet:Well, and baking, baking for me is a way to relax. So I did a lot of baking during covid.
drea-diet:Hmm. You didn't get a Peloton.
lisa-diet:Yeah.
meags-diet:And those things are a fortune.
kathy-diet:They
drea-diet:know.
kathy-diet:Angie had to
lisa-diet:rob a bank to get one of those things
kathy-diet:yeah. Rob Bank to get buy it and then you have to pay
drea-diet:To use
kathy-diet:to use it,
drea-diet:Yeah.
lisa-diet:Right. To get the classes and
drea-diet:And I, I saw it and I was like, isn't that just like a glorified like stationary bike?
kathy-diet:a stationary bike with a screen.
drea-diet:Yeah.
kathy-diet:Yes.
drea-diet:We're, I don't think Pelotons ever gonna want, I don't know that they would ever have wanted to advertise with us, but now, now that we've poo-pooed their product, they
lisa-diet:No.
drea-diet:they're out. They're out.
lisa-diet:I don't. think Noom or Weight Watchers will be giving us a call.
meags-diet:That's alright cause we're clearly in line for an Oreos sponsorship and I'm down for that.
kathy-diet:for that too.
drea-diet:I love it. I'm much, I'm much more interested in that.
kathy-diet:During the pandemic, Charlie and I tried to find the most stuffed we can, and I believe Target carried the most toughest Oreo cookies, which were amazing.
meags-diet:the mega, the mega stuff.
kathy-diet:Which basically probably brings us to where we are at today, which is that my weight loss experience during Covid started when I went to the doctor and was diagnosed with diabetes type two diabetes.
drea-diet:Ugh.
kathy-diet:and so I, which is a little bit where this kind of topic came from, was that, so I have been, and I'm gonna cover it a little bit later on, all the different things that I have tried. But, you know, that sort of started a whole sort of, you know, 2020 diagnosis was June of 2020 of a, a sort of like, not a health crisis. It wasn't that it wasn't that critical, but it was just, you know, a health wake up and, okay, now you, now you really have to do something. It's not just cuz you know you wanna look good for somebody's wedding or whatever. It's like, okay, now you really have to think about it. So, but let's. Go back. How did all this shit start? Well, like a lot of things we can thank the Greeks.
lisa-diet:Greeks.
drea-diet:Those assholes.
kathy-diet:Thanks.
carey-diet:Oh, the Greeks.
kathy-diet:the Greeks were way into fitness and believed that a healthy body equated to a healthy mind. So therefore, fat was not only ugly, but it also meant that you had a mental imbalance.
drea-diet:Oh, no.
lisa-diet:Interesting.
carey-diet:That explains
kathy-diet:wealthy Greek, Greeks would spend up to eight hours a day at gymnasiums working out naked.
drea-diet:Junk. Like jumping up and down
kathy-diet:Like I wondered, like is this, is this is this where the term swinging dicks came from?
carey-diet:Yeah, right. Look at that
meags-diet:very
carey-diet:dick over there.
drea-diet:Can I give you, can I give you like a totally random side note about that? Not it's about jock straps, right? So I know they weren't wearing them, so they must have been very, very tough. But our men do wear jock straps, and I was listening to a podcast about a woman who started, who came up with sports bras and the first spa sports bra was made outta two jocks straps
lisa-diet:I think I heard an interview with that woman before.
drea-diet:That was pretty cool. All right, so anyway, back to the Greeks. And they're, they're jiggling junk
kathy-diet:So the Greeks jiggle their junk up to eight hours a day. Be healthy and have a healthy mind. They also, we can thank them for, here's another side note. They also held beauty contests for women,
drea-diet:for women,
lisa-diet:that's what society really is good for is beauty contest.
kathy-diet:That's what we needed. So thank you Greeks for that.
drea-diet:What made them, what made their women beautiful? Did they, did they say like,
kathy-diet:Oh, I don't
drea-diet:woman look like?
kathy-diet:Probably not being fat.
drea-diet:Did the women work out? Did you find out if the women worked out
kathy-diet:yeah, so it was, I mean, yes, it was, it was wealthy Greeks of both kinds that worked out at the gymnasium naked. I don't, I don't know about co-ed. The,
lisa-diet:Okay, so we're,
kathy-diet:didn't go into, whether it was co-ed, co-ed, naked, working out or
lisa-diet:but women were working out as well,
kathy-diet:Yeah.
lisa-diet:so that makes you think like, what's you saying? That's sport. I mean, so not only some men have their stuff j around, but women working out with their boobs jig around. I mean, that gets painful. Like if you are not secure, that's just,
meags-diet:gotta wonder how hard they were working out if they were working out for eight hours a day. Like my guess is that they were not exactly doing the most strenuous a aerobics.
lisa-diet:you might be right.
kathy-diet:I know, but you did some of those Greek statues, men and women, everyone was pretty cut.
drea-diet:Yes, true. That's true. Well maybe we'll figure that out someday
kathy-diet:So early Christians thought that the physical body was enemy of the soul. So basically your physical body was like, where all your cravings? Right? Right. So cravings for food, alcohol, sex. Right. And so they thought that was you know, against what they were trying to achieve, you know, religiously and, and for their soul. So many of the early Christians, a lot of whom are now saints had real food issues. And they would starve themselves. And what they found was when they starve themselves, they would have hallucinations, which they felt like brought them closer to God. So they called that anorexia mirais or holy anorexia,
drea-diet:Wow,
kathy-diet:right?
lisa-diet:Well, I mean, if you're, if you think God's talking to you while you're starving yourself, I guess then it's worth it.
kathy-diet:Yeah, right. It's all good
drea-diet:All right. I Jesus Christ. God damn it.
kathy-diet:Spirituality unlocked. The first liquid diet is attributed in 1066 ad to William the conqueror.
drea-diet:Okay.
kathy-diet:Oh, Willie got too fat to ride his horse. And if you're conquering stuff, you gotta ride your horse. So, He put himself on a liquid diet, which consisted of only drinking alcohol
lisa-diet:All
kathy-diet:perfect.
carey-diet:Diet.
drea-diet:I love it. I love it. I'm thinking like egg whites. I'm thinking egg whites, right? no
kathy-diet:is flaw, is plan only alcohol?
lisa-diet:reminds me of like the monks that would fast during, let only drink beer.
kathy-diet:Yeah, I think it was probably a little harder than that.
lisa-diet:Ah.
kathy-diet:And when he finally did get back on his horse, he caught his gut on the sh on the saddle horn
meags-diet:Ouch.
kathy-diet:he, and he died from the subsequent infection
lisa-diet:Ugh.
carey-diet:shut up.
drea-diet:aw man.
carey-diet:so don't always get back on the horse.
kathy-diet:and he was too fat to his coffin,
meags-diet:Oh my
drea-diet:Oh, he was like, Taft.
kathy-diet:his diet didn't even work.
drea-diet:Oh, well it was alcohol after all. It's a bunch of empty calories. Oh wow. That's crazy.
kathy-diet:The first diet book was published in 1558 and it's still in print.
drea-diet:Really, really.
kathy-diet:Yes, it was written, so Luigi Corona was an overweight Italian. I mean, go figure. All that pasta, all that really good pasta and bread carbs, car carbs. And so he put himself on a diet consisting of 12 ounces of food and 14 ounces of wine a day.
lisa-diet:Course the wine.
carey-diet:Oh my God.
kathy-diet:He called his book The Art of Living Long, and he lived to be almost a hundred years old,
carey-diet:Wow. we go.
drea-diet:He couldn't have eaten that way every day. He had to have had a cheat day. He had to have had a
kathy-diet:I mean, it didn't say like what, like, I mean, I'm sure if you really looked into it, if you read The Art of Living Long, I don't know, he might go into the, what the 12 ounces of food consisted of, but he ate 12 ounces of food in 14 ounces of wine in the 1820s. Lord Byron, what would, who I think we've all heard of, but was an English romantic poet, was considered by a lot of people, including himself, the world's sexiest man,
lisa-diet:Well, I guess he had like 20 lovers, you know? He, yeah, he was well known for his what do you call it? His,
drea-diet:His sexual prowess.
lisa-diet:There you go. That's one way to say it.
kathy-diet:well, his his
lisa-diet:thinking a more poetic way to say it, but,
kathy-diet:his good looks. And his yeah,
drea-diet:He did it with his sister. I just listened to another podcast about that. Isn't that gross? Oh. Oh, Anne, he sent a le I'm sorry. I know I'm distract. I'm going. He sent a letter to some other lady, like complaining and telling her that he, she wasn't as beautiful as his, his sister. Isn't that disgusting?
meags-diet:That doesn't seem like a very polite thing to do.
lisa-diet:But he did have a daughter who was very intelligent.
kathy-diet:Yes. Ate a Lovelace.
lisa-diet:Yes.
kathy-diet:Yes.
drea-diet:Anyway, he was a creep.
kathy-diet:so, you know, in order to maintain his, you know, sexiest man status so apparently he gained weight rather easily, and so he had to work really hard to maintain his physique and stay, stay thin. He would starve himself and then he would binge eat, and then he would sweat it off by wearing layers and layers and layers of clothes
drea-diet:Hmm.
kathy-diet:and, He invented the vinegar diet. He drank vinegar with water several times a day to flush fat, and he also ate potatoes that were drenched in vinegar. So he was the forefather of what is today the Apple Cider Vinegar Diet where you drink?
meags-diet:And also the salt, also. Salt and vinegar, potato chips.
kathy-diet:Yes.
carey-diet:I like those. Wait, you said that? Those are under my diet. Awesome. Thanks.
kathy-diet:Yep. No problem. The apple cider vinegar Diet, today's apple cider vigar diet is consists of drinking one tablespoon of vinegar and water before your meal, but when people were trying old Lord Byron's vinegar diet, a lot of people died because apparently you can poison yourself by drinking lots and lots of vinegar.
meags-diet:Yikes. You could also destroy your teeth
kathy-diet:I mean, and, and I mean, it's just like you must smell really, really great.
lisa-diet:Right.
carey-diet:Oh.
kathy-diet:know people didn't smell great anyway back in the 1820s, but Dad invited her on top of
lisa-diet:But yeah, your sweat must have been
drea-diet:Can you imagine kissing that? He's like all kinds of, like although I did wonder, like when you were talking a little bit earlier, if he would've been considered like a sexiest man alive, but then like the next year, like beefed up and then didn't like, oh my god, how could you've ever been the sexiest man alive?
kathy-diet:like they see, they get like, like, well, they didn't have photos, so they sketch him on the beach.
drea-diet:Yeah. Well, I meant like now, like if you were around now like, and you could take pictures and stuff. I dunno. That's just my
kathy-diet:I don't know. I don't know. But it was funny. I was reading that and I was like, well, I didn't realize People Magazine was around back in the 1820s. Okay, so beside Lord Byron's Vinegar Diet, what are some of other weird diets? Have there been? Well, let me tell you. so there was one, there's one called Fletcher which was a craze in the US and the uk Ho Fletcher, who is known as the Great Masticator, lost 40 pounds. And on his method that he then, you know, went on to, you know, popularize of chewing every mouthful 32 times and then spitting out the rest. And this method, Fletcher, was, was really, really popular. It was people who, who were big proponents of it, were JD Rockefeller, Franz Kafta John Kellogg of Kellogg Cereal, and Henry James. And there's a side, side note. If anyone is familiar with the Dialup podcast, which is a great podcast, if you're not familiar with it, it's hilarious. Episode number 46. I've listened to it twice. Once, way back when, and once again, like last year. Episode number 46 is called The Serial Men, and it's really, really interesting. Plagiarism has a little bit has a little bit in there, but there's, it's a really funny episode. Y'all should listen. Another weird diet is the Swamp Avoidance Diet.
drea-diet:Hmm.
kathy-diet:In 17, in 7 22, 17 27, this guy named Thomas Short observed that heavier people tended to live near swamps, and so that they should move, they should move away from the swamp, and then people should avoid the swamp.
drea-diet:If only were that easy, like wouldn't it be great? It's like, oh, you just have to move away from
kathy-diet:move move away
drea-diet:be,
kathy-diet:swamp.
drea-diet:then you'll be amazingly skinny.
kathy-diet:It sounds really scientific, right? Swamp avoidance, diet, move away. In
drea-diet:rod.
kathy-diet:In the 1920s there was a new diet called cigarettes.
lisa-diet:Hmm. That
meags-diet:Yep.
carey-diet:yes.
lisa-diet:Yeah.
kathy-diet:So cigarette companies started boasting about the appetite suppressant qualities of their products. Lucky Strike even went so far as to urge smokers. That a lie to lucky and you'll never miss the sweets that make, that make you fat.
meags-diet:Oh
carey-diet:grandmother
kathy-diet:like this was the, the main diet of like all of our grandmothers, I know
carey-diet:Yeah, my grandmother smoked Virginia Slims,
kathy-diet:Yeah.
carey-diet:you know, and just all about the marketing, right? They were like cigarettes for women.
drea-diet:Mm-hmm.
meags-diet:When I had my kids, I was talking about my, my kids were big. I was talking about with my grandmother asking her how big my mom and my uncle had been thinking that like, there's some kind of genetic thing happening here that I'm having nine and 10 pound babies. And my grandmother was like, well, you know, your uncle was five pounds and your mom was like four and a half pounds. And I looked at my mother and my mother looked at me and said, that's when they didn't have people stop smoking and drinking when they were pregnant.
kathy-diet:Yeah,
carey-diet:Right.
meags-diet:So, you know, keep keep from getting fat. From having fat babies.
kathy-diet:that's right.
drea-diet:Ah,
kathy-diet:Yeah, my grandmother consisted on pretty much nothing but coffee and cigarettes. Drink coffee round the clock and she smoked round the clock. It was, it was a three Cs. It was coffee, cigarette, and chocolate. That's like all she is. She, she was tiny.
carey-diet:She's a great lady.
kathy-diet:What
drea-diet:did your Lisa did your grandparents smoke
lisa-diet:my grandfather sm well, on my mom's side, my grandfather smoked. My grandmother, I don't think ever smoked, but on my dad's side, both his parents smoked and my dad smoked as well.
drea-diet:all of my grandparents smoked.
kathy-diet:that your grandmother was was that of that generation and didn't ever smoke?
lisa-diet:She didn't smoke. I don't, I mean, I say that, you know,
kathy-diet:Well, she guys smoked when she was really, really young. You didn't know,
lisa-diet:She probably did when she was younger, but no, she didn't, but she also lived to be 99, so you know,
kathy-diet:so she probably really didn't smoke.
lisa-diet:probably didn't smoke. She's not, she didn't smoke much.
meags-diet:so I had one grandmother who smoked and who was like the most amazing, functional alcoholic. But what was really interesting was like, she was basically gray, like in like just always she gray skin. Totally washed out from the time I was probably like eight or 10 until her Alzheimer's really kicked in. Because when her Alzheimer's really kicked in, she went back in her mind sort of to when my dad was a little kid before she had had, you know, seven or eight other kids and, and her 12 other pregnancies and all this craziness. And she stopped drinking and smoking. And she was somebody who, like, we weren't allowed to call her after five o'clock because you just didn't know what was gonna happen on the phone. So like the idea that she completely, so she stopped
carey-diet:Oh, that's my mom now.
meags-diet:yeah, she stopped smoking and she stopped drinking and she turned pink again. She was like literally the pink of health. And I, my aunt, my aunt who's much closer to me and age than she, my dad said to me, I don't know what the hell we're gonna do because this place is freaking expensive and she's never gonna die. She's healthier than she. No, like smoking early does not mean you can't change your ways later on down the game.
drea-diet:Oh my God.
kathy-diet:True.
lisa-diet:Well my grandma was 99. She, you know, she wasn't smoking but she was still drinking her TTA sours and the only thing she really ate I think was chocolate. So, but you're you're 99. I say you can eat
kathy-diet:two grandmothers who ne he ain't nothing but chocolate. So ladies chocolate.
meags-diet:Yeah.
lisa-diet:It's way long life
kathy-diet:in the 1930s there was slimming soap wash away your fat in the shower. Products like fat off. Fat. Oh no. And Lamar reducing soap. Urge users to soap up to slim down couple bars of Fatto. No.
drea-diet:That way.
lisa-diet:That's awesome. Wouldn't be awesome if it worked. You just have to shower a lot. Lose
kathy-diet:exactly in case you're wondering it, it didn't work.
lisa-diet:Dang it.
kathy-diet:And then another one that I thought was really, really weird, which is, is, is a modern thing. This is a two thousands thing I had never heard of it. It's called ear stapling. They
meags-diet:Oh yeah, I've heard that one.
kathy-diet:they staple cartilage in your inner ear. It's based on Chinese acupuncture. And this cartilage is meant it supposedly controls your appetite. So they staple this for anywhere from like six weeks to three months. Also not proven effective.
drea-diet:Oh.
kathy-diet:And of course, as you can imagine, it's fraught with dangers. Adverse sights,
lisa-diet:So I really can't sit there with a staple and staple my ear with a stapler and expect to be healthy.
meags-diet:Definitely not.
kathy-diet:Honorable, honorable mentions in the weird diet categories are the sleeping beauty diet, which apparently Elvis used to do. You take a bunch of sleeping pills and then you sleep over a couple days.
drea-diet:I was like, that doesn't sound so bad
carey-diet:I totally would do that. Sorry.
lisa-diet:but the probably the worst thing was the speed he took after sleeping for a
kathy-diet:Right to wake back up
lisa-diet:right?
kathy-diet:and then staying awake for several, several days. Right. There's one called the Breatharian Diet, which basically you consume nothing and you all, because all you apparently need is what you can get from the air. And apparently there was like this lady, I didn't write her name down cause she was like, she was like the big like proponent of this diet. And so 60 Minutes was filming her for, I guess over a period of time and she started like passing out and all this stuff cuz she hadn't eaten anything. So they, they, they ended it.
meags-diet:Oh my God.
lisa-diet:Wow.
kathy-diet:So we're gonna put that off on the D doesn't work category.
lisa-diet:That sounds like the starving yourself diet.
kathy-diet:There's been I, and I think this one was like kind of like a TikTok bat or something, but the cotton ball diet. There's also a bunch of us have probably heard of this one and remember people doing it, maybe you tried it yourself. The baby food diet. And then there's also the cookie diet, which, which Megan
drea-diet:Megan
meags-diet:Yeah,
kathy-diet:enjoyed.
lisa-diet:bad.
carey-diet:You did the Turkey diet.
meags-diet:it was, you know what it, like, looking back on it, it was like very much a precursor to like all the social media stuff. It was like some, you know, like some friends of my mom were, you know, she was selling it. She, you know, she, she had gotten on it and then she was selling it to everybody she knew and
kathy-diet:They were like fiber cookies. And then there was also sort of like an offshoot of that. There was like this brand muffin recipe that went around. It was like you ate these muffins, like two of your meals and you ate like a salad or whatever for
lisa-diet:So was it supposed to make it like make you poop so you'd like poop out your weight?
kathy-diet:I think it probably is twofold, right? It's like, cuz fiber makes you feel full, fuller on less so. I think it's like, it's, it's cleansing and it's supposedly making you feel full.
drea-diet:Hmm.
kathy-diet:Okay. So weird diets leaves us into what I am calling epic fail diets.
drea-diet:Okay.
kathy-diet:In the 1970s, a a, a doctor named Roger Lynn. L I N n advocated his product, so red flag called Proin. And so his diet was you. You drink this proin and nothing else. And Proin consisted of ground animal horns, hooves, hides, tendons, bones, and other slaughterhouse byproducts, which were mixed with flavors and colors and enzymes that would break it down. This product only provided 400 calories per day and zero nutrients. The results were 50, 58 people suffered heart attacks,
meags-diet:Oh my God.
drea-diet:Oh,
kathy-diet:so disgusting. A
drea-diet:oh my God. Like he basically went to a slaughterhouse and he like leftover.
kathy-diet:yeah. Let me buy your leftovers for a penny.
drea-diet:Yeah, I'm gonna, I gotta ground that shit up, put in some other stuff with it and sell it.
kathy-diet:I mean, how disgusting. That was like, that's like, that was like one of the most disgusting things of all that thing. I mean, there's a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. There's some deep dive, there's a lot I'm not sharing with you guys, but that one was probably one of the most disgusting came across.
lisa-diet:Hmm.
kathy-diet:Speaking of disgusting, our next one is the tape worm diet.
meags-diet:No gross,
lisa-diet:What? You go get a tape on?
kathy-diet:Will you buy tapeworm egg pills and then you, you take them
meags-diet:Out of the back, Out an ad in the back of a magazine like Vogue. 17.
lisa-diet:he was very unhealthy.
kathy-diet:So you, you take these, you grow a tapeworm inside you, which consumes your fat and also all of your nutrients. Side effects of this include. Side effects of growing a parasite in your body include severe malnutrition, nausea, diarrhea eggs spreading to multiple parts of your body, and causing less threatening effects. Tapeworms also are very, very hard to kill and typically involve require hospitalization. If you don't die,
lisa-diet:Yeah.
carey-diet:My sister got a tape form from Bucky's
drea-diet:what?
carey-diet:years ago. Yeah. Yeah. She, she, she made the stupidest mistake of getting a quote unquote freshly prepared salad. She's like, you know, and every other kids, they all got fried stuff. She's like, no, I'm gonna be good. I'm just gonna get a salad. And yep, she got deathly ill. And then she didn't know what was wrong with her. It was like two weeks, and she kept losing weight. She kept barfing, like it was, it was terrible. And we finally went to the doctor and they were like, here're pooping this cup. And they said, you have a tapeworm. And yeah, I mean there was like there's some.
drea-diet:ew. I probably had like little worm eggs.
meags-diet:Try that.
kathy-diet:Hey, but
carey-diet:Yeah,
drea-diet:So how did she get rid of it?
carey-diet:did. Yeah, she did lose weight, but she was really sick. Oh, I don't, I mean, even though you might lose weight, I don't like you really are gonna feel like shit for a while because you have something living inside of you.
kathy-diet:You definitely don't. It's a parasite. You definitely don't. It's speeding off of you. It's living cause you're dying. That's what it's doing.
drea-diet:Oh my God. Did she get rid of it? I mean, she had to have gotten rid of it.
carey-diet:Oh yeah. Like, see, they got some she got some kind of, I don't know, medicine killed tape worms. And then but it took a while. It, and like, and just for her ability to eat regular for, for it, it took a little bit of time for it to come back. Yeah. So it sucks. So don't eat salads and bs.
lisa-diet:Good to know.
kathy-diet:I mean, that's like the, like the last thing I think I'd
meags-diet:French fries for everybody.
kathy-diet:by
lisa-diet:Ladies, I think we just lost another sponsor.
kathy-diet:Damnit, I'm really knocking
lisa-diet:You really are Cause they're knocking down our door.
kathy-diet:there's, there's a few more, there's a few more not sponsors coming up. Okay, so we all probably remember this epic fail from the 1980s and nineties. The Finfin diet,
lisa-diet:Sounds familiar.
kathy-diet:the diet drug known as Finfin, consisted of fin fluorine, which is an appetite depressant and fin turine, which is an a type of amphetamine. Over its course up to 6 million people used this diet drug predominantly women. And it was eventually removed in 1997 from the market because, so it was it, it was, it caused heart valve defects more commonly among older people. I mean, it's an amphetamine, so you know, people were taking this. Day in, day out, not good for you. And eventually it caused also legal damages for the manufacturer of over 13 billion.
lisa-diet:Oh,
kathy-diet:I knew somebody that I grew up with. He had his, his wife died of a cardiac arrest. She was on Finfin and that's what they attributed it
carey-diet:Oh, that's
meags-diet:Yikes.
kathy-diet:Yeah.
meags-diet:That's terrible.
kathy-diet:Okay, so those are my epi. Does anyone else know of any epic fail diets? That was the diets that I came across.
meags-diet:I feel like there was a lot of like epic fail social
kathy-diet:No? Yeah.
meags-diet:things, like, you know, like the, the snack wells, like all the food, the all the no fat food.
lisa-diet:Oh
kathy-diet:Oh, who, who remembers?
lisa-diet:college?
kathy-diet:Do you remember? Lene?
meags-diet:Oh, yes.
drea-diet:Oh yes.
carey-diet:yeah, that's, there's an attempt to make
lisa-diet:Oh yeah. I had to stay away from that.
meags-diet:yeah. Anything with anal leakage. Thanks. But no thanks.
lisa-diet:Right.
kathy-diet:Memories. Okay, so let's talk about popular diets. You guys have already mentioned some. Here's where, I'll tell you what, I have personally tried myself, weight Watchers multiple times. Quick, late, quick late Loss Center, noom curves Ozempic, and currently on Jenny Craig. So some of the most popular diets today are keto, which is an eating pattern that includes high amounts of fat, low amounts of protein, and very little carbs. One of the top diets, and this is actually one of the top most recommended diets by actual healthcare professionals, is the Mediterranean Mediterranean Diet, which is inspired by the diet of Southern Italy and Greece, which is like unprocessed cereals and grains, fish, fruit, veggies, and olive oil.
drea-diet:Hmm.
kathy-diet:Another kind of popular diet right now is Arianism or Flexitarian, which is kind of like it's semi vegetarianism, so you might be like five, seven vegetarian. So if you're, you, like five days out of the week, you're a vegetarian and then you allow yourself meat or fish or something like that, two days out of the week. So it's mostly fruits and vegetables and whole grains and mostly plant-based with occasional meat. So, You know, it's people that, you know, want a healthier lifestyle but don't want a hundred percent give up, meat intermittent fasting, which is varied. I, I've also tried this one, varied meal timing schedules between voluntary fasting and then non-fasting period intervals. So, you know, some people do it like it's the same every day. They like fast, you know, they only eat between like 12 noon and 8:00 PM and then they're fasting the rest of the time. Other people it's like you're non-fasting for two days and then you do a full day fast, or two do two. It is like two on one off and then one on two off or something. There's also something called the dash diet. This is another one that's actually recommended. DASH stands for dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension. So it's, it's truly like for people who have, you know heart disease and hypertension, it's, again, there's a pattern. Fruits, vegetables, whole grains, low fat dairy, and low fat proteins. And then of course, the other one that Lisa mentioned, which is Atkins's popular Low Carbohydrate Eating Plan, developed by a heart specialist, Robert Atkins, that restricts carbs and focuses on proteins and fats. High calorie way to stay thin forever is what his book quoted. there's no good evidence of the diet's effectiveness in achieving sustained weight loss. So it does, it is effective for initial weight loss, but there's no evidence that effectively you would lose weight
lisa-diet:and I don't know if this turned up in your research, but it can really damage your kidneys. Like if you do it, you have to drink a lot of water.
kathy-diet:Yes, and ironically, due to its promotion of unlimited high fat content foods, there's actually an increase of heart disease considering it was developed by
lisa-diet:Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was, I never understood that. It's like I, yeah, I was all about like chicken and tuna and like low fat, you know, low fat meats is what I, proteins is what I ate. But yeah, the weirdest thing was no fruit. I love fruit. And that was, that was the hardest thing for me to stay away from is fruit.
kathy-diet:So, as I mentioned at the beginning in June of 2020, I was diagnosed with type two diabetes. There are several of these diets that are not recommended. Intermittent fasting, being one of'em, which was something I used to do. I used to eat a lot of, I used to make myself, I would not eat breakfast and I would make myself a smoothie, which is a lot of fruits which have sugar, natural sugars. So there were a lot of things that I personally was doing wrong cuz I didn't know. So, you know, my doctor, she was like, Hey, why don't you try these things? I did a little bit of research on the internet and I had initially a lot of success just doing the things that she said. And I, she prescribed Metformin, which has been around for a very, very long time as a diabetes control. It has no other properties other than to control blood sugars. So any weight loss and things like that that I achieved was because of just the eating plan in which I was doing. And it was during Covid, we were home all the time. So I was able to, I wasn't coming home from work and commuting and coming home exhausted. So I was able to do better meal prep and cooking and then, you know, Nothing else to do. So I was going on bike rides with my son every evening. And so I basically like found something online. It was basically if you have a plate, half your plate should be green, quarter of your plate is your carb, and a quarter of your plate is your lean protein. And then after about, so you know, the very next like three month checkup that I did with my doctor, like A1C was down significantly, everything was great. Had some moderate weight loss, you know, lots of levels of things were good. And then after another three months, not as much weight loss, but everything was still good. A1C was down to very like normal person range. And she was like, all right, well let's to boost your weight loss. Let's put you on this shot called is Mpic. So if you all have been paying attention to. Media, social media, npr New York Times, wall Street Journal. You follow celebrities. You are familiar with ozempic. So Ozempic is produced by Novo Nortis Disk. Ozempic Wago, which is a sister offshoot of Ozempic and Manjaro, all have a main ingredient called semaglutide which was Semaglutide was approved by the F D A in 2021 to prevent obesity. D So in 2017, Ozempic was approved by the f D A for, for treating type two diabetes. That's what it was invented for. And then in 2021, it was approved to treat obesity under the name Wgo V because they found that the type two diabetes, it is meant to control diabetes. It's supposed to help with controlling and preventing heart disease, but they noticed that people were losing weight on it. Semaglutide lowers blood sugar levels and regulates insulin, and it initiates so there, like it mimics, it imitates a hormone called glucagon, like peptide one. And that's something that we all nationally produce in our intestines. And it it limits the appetite by signaling our bodies that we're, that we feel full. So, What started happening was, you know, they, they kind of prevent, they invented this sort of offshoot to Azim called We Ovy, and that was approved to treat obesity. And then you started having all these doctors that were prescribing it off label to people who were neither obese or who had type two diabetes just for weight loss purposes. And that's what's going on right now. So it's now officially all these products are now officially listed on the short supply list. And you've got more and more doctors surpri prescribing it for off-label use. So what happened to me was I was taking it and. Really didn't enjoy it. It has a lot of side effects. Side effects includes nausea, dehydration, fatigue and malaise. Bowel movement changes. Severe constipation to the extremeness of hospitalization, pancreatitis, gallstones nasty ass burps.
meags-diet:I love that. Of all those things, the one that has really offended Kathy the most, if nasty aspers.
lisa-diet:Yeah,
kathy-diet:it's like, it's like burping sulfur.
drea-diet:Ew.
carey-diet:I've had those so, so terrible.
lisa-diet:Oh, that's nasty.
kathy-diet:what Carrie,
carey-diet:I've had, I've had this sulfur burps and they're They make you wanna bark, then your
kathy-diet:Like, yes. They make you wanna throw up like your, your own burp instantly makes you be like, oh my God, I'm gonna throw up and it. This is all day. So it's a, so ozempic, all these drugs are a once weekly shot that you give yourself, either in the stomach, the thigh, or the arm. And it was just, it was constant. So the way that most people do it, the way they recommend it because of this severe side effects, is you start out on a lower dose. You do the lower dose for a month to three months, and then you increase it to the higher dose level. So what, that's how I started out and as with anything, you know, you give yourself like two weeks or so, your body will adjust to it. That's what happened with the lower dose. But then the higher dose was just disgusting. I was like not being able to get up and go to work in the morning, like a morning or two after I take it. I'd start taking it on Fridays so that hopefully I feel better by the work week. Other side effects that people have noticed are reduced desire to drink alcohol, facial aging, and kidney failure.
carey-diet:that's bad.
lisa-diet:That's
drea-diet:ah.
meags-diet:Yeah.
kathy-diet:What's been happening, what all these articles, I, I, I dunno, probably like a month ago I heard an article on NPR about it that it's, so, it's, it's not designed for regular white people who want to be super, super thin, but that's what's happening. Also in addition. And then what, what, what I was experiencing was one of these horrible, horrible side effects. I didn't wanna be on it anymore, but my pharmacy was like, we don't, we can't get it. They're like, you're gonna have to start, you're gonna have to, we don't have it at any of our, it was Walgreens. Like, we don't have any, like, you need to start, you're gonna have to try c v s or somebody else. Like you're gonna have to move your prescription one. What I find really interesting is all these doctors that are over-prescribing, it was in order to get my insurance company to cover it. They first declined it and I have type two days B, like I, I'm the person that should taking it. My doctor had to like, you know, write a letter or call them or something and be like, no. And so then they approved it. Which I was glad because I was quoted that it would be, it was just under$2,000 a month to take it without insurance.
drea-diet:Wow
kathy-diet:What I was reading on the internet was they were saying it was anywhere from 900 to 1300 per pin, which is a month supply without insurance coverage. So again, not exactly my experience, but, but close to it. So that's why it's, right now it's, it's like very popular among influencers, celebrities, all these people who, you know, can afford because their insurance companies aren't gonna pay for it. They don't qualify. But they can afford to do it. So now there's all these, like, there's all these clinics that are popping up. Just specifically to prescribe these we, we happen to have a party in our neighborhood this weekend. I heard people talking about getting it from Mexico.
drea-diet:Yeah,
carey-diet:Oh.
drea-diet:that sounds like a idea.
lisa-diet:Yes.
kathy-diet:correct. I,
drea-diet:Go to Canada.
kathy-diet:I, about, I don't know if it's been like six, maybe it's been at least six months that, or to maybe to nine months that I asked my doctor to take me off of it and to gimme something else. So I am now taking a different drug. It's not one of those ones I listed that has the semaglutide, I always wanna call it smide or whatever, but semaglutide it, it has that, but a lower level. The, the side effects it and it, it also, it doesn't have the strong weight loss properties. But once I stop taking Ozempic immediately, Immediately, any weight that I had taken off came back plus more. And you know, I really, I mean, the re basically the way it works is you feel really, really sick and you aren't hungry, and that's how you lose weight. So as soon as you go off of it, it's not like you're really doing anything wrong. It wasn't like I was eating whole cakes or something. I just was eating.
carey-diet:Hey, no shame.
kathy-diet:And thank you Carrie. So I was just eating and I gained all this weight back. So anyway, what I decided to do when I said earlier was, so I I, I joined Jenny Craig and I've been doing that for three months. And just like anything else, like it's hard, but I'm not taking any, you know, special drug. There's not like a fat blocker or anything that you have to take, which a lot of other diet things do or some weird vitamin supplement or something. It's just food. I'm on the diabetic plan so it regulates the carbs and so after three months I went to the doctor, had some moderate weight loss, but also every single one of my levels for anything was in a very, very good range. My blood pressure came down, like everything came down. So I will be continuing to do that. And I wish all the success for anyone else who chooses to follow any of these plans that they want to do. Something else that was just came up in the media and everything lately was an interesting story that Weight Watchers has now bought Sequence, which is a telehealth prescription drug space that offers access to healthcare providers who specialize in chronic weight loss management, i e people who will prescribe these weight loss drugs such as Ozempic,
carey-diet:That's really too bad for Weight Watchers. Cause I mean, they, they don't have that reputation, right. Of being drug prison. I
kathy-diet:is eat healthy food and counter calories. Right? classic
lisa-diet:Just pay attention what you're eating.
meags-diet:Right, and, and there's lots of data that says that that doesn't work at all for a lot of people. So I can see where they wanna spread their money around and try to make money other ways.
drea-diet:Yeah.
meags-diet:Although I don't, I don't think that that's, that would not, you know, that doesn't make me wanna go hang out with them at all. But I didn't wanna hang out with them to begin
kathy-diet:And yet another sponsor lost.
meags-diet:yeah, there you go.
lisa-diet:Dang it.
meags-diet:If we, if
kathy-diet:I told you we're gonna lose a lot more sponsors before this thing is over. Pics out. Weight Watchers is out, but hey,
drea-diet:is out.
meags-diet:yeah.
drea-diet:we're fucked.
lisa-diet:alright. I'll take desserts. Hogans, Ben and Jerry's highly recommend them.
drea-diet:Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There are a lot of other appetizers out there that would love us.
meags-diet:Weed, gummies, that
drea-diet:Kathy, I want, I admire, I admire how Well you, you said all your science words. Very good. Very good job.
carey-diet:That
kathy-diet:it's not.
lisa-diet:I like that word though.
drea-diet:I like, I like that better. Really?
lisa-diet:Yeah, sounds cool.
drea-diet:Yes. Mega
kathy-diet:It's, it's whatever I said it was Sima. Lulu, it's Meite. In my mind. It's Meite.
drea-diet:is it? But that actually does sound kind of like a, like a, I don't know, not a superhero, but like, you know, something from that, a genre, you know, you know, what I'm saying?
meags-diet:I do know what you're saying.
drea-diet:But it would be a villain. Like it would, that would, it couldn't be like a hero name. It'd have to be a villain name. So anyway, totally digress. Well, thank you Kathy. That was all very, very interesting. Did you say something about the paleo diets? Did you did I miss
kathy-diet:I, I didn't, I, I skipped paleo raw food. Like I'm te I'm, I mean, I read a lot of articles. And which I mean, interesting, you know, I tried to pick, I tried to cherry pick the, you know, the weirdest or the ones that I felt like were kind of like the most popular. But I mean, there was, yeah, there was a one, there was even a really, really old one that was based on Inuit. Inuit food pattern was like the Inuit diet. And it's basically, yeah, it's very similar to kind of paleo and raw foods.
carey-diet:yeah.
kathy-diet:yeah.
carey-diet:The Inuit was, the Inuit tribe is the one that was in around the Fairbanks area. Yeah. So it's all like whale and protein. Yeah, yeah.
kathy-diet:I don't necessarily think of them as, I don't, I don't mean to stereotype, but I don't necessarily think of them as being super thin.
drea-diet:Well,
carey-diet:no. no. Inuit, no, typically not.
kathy-diet:Maybe it's just the clothing, maybe it's just cuz they're wearing so much clothing and I can't really see their bodies, but,
carey-diet:no. I don't think it's like a really good thing to be all that thin when you're living out in the villages in Alaska. I
kathy-diet:Right. Like I
carey-diet:so you need a
kathy-diet:were very, I felt like evolutionarily they were very well built for their environments.
carey-diet:yeah, right, right.
drea-diet:Yeah, definitely.
meags-diet:Correct.
drea-diet:Well, very cool. So
meags-diet:I feel smarter.
drea-diet:I do too.
lisa-diet:I know more now. I'm just gonna go seriously, have some ice cream.
kathy-diet:Good. You
meags-diet:All, things of moderation, including moderation.
kathy-diet:exactly.
lisa-diet:Yes.
drea-diet:Cool.
kathy-diet:I will go have my gin me, Jenny Craig Lemon cake.
drea-diet:Good. Sounds gummy. All right. Well, good night.
carey-diet:Have a good trip to Mexico Beach. Those of you who are going,
meags-diet:Thanks.
drea-diet:we will, we'll have an awesome
lisa-diet:Yeah, should be fun. Miss you guys.
meags-diet:Yeah.
drea-diet:miss
carey-diet:We'll miss.
drea-diet:All right.
carey-diet:All right. Have a good week everybody.
drea-diet:All right. Goodnight.
meags-diet:Good night.
lisa-diet:Right.